We are all marketing to the wrong person
Jul 02
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For the past five years I have been observing the business of coaching, consulting, resource providing, and trying to help make successful and productive youth ministers. I submit that we are all going at it wrong.
With all our resources and all our efforts, the tenure of youth ministers, youth workers, ministers to students, is still very short. I know many of you disagree with the Barna study that claims the average youth minister only last 18 months, but it is still painfully short no matter what the real number is.
Stay with the logic of this and comment. I have had many great discussions with people involved on the cutting edge of enabling youth ministers to succeed before writing this, so this is an effort to stimulate conversation and if possible a different strategy.
- You don’t know what you don’t know. We market all these great ideas to the youth minister and get a loud silence. They have no idea what they need until it is too late. I have had many conversations with 40 plus year old heads of their denominations about their experiences as youth ministers. One man in particular was the head of youth ministers. His experience was repeated again and again. He lasted (you guessed it) 18 months and then years later looked back and thought “gosh I could have done that better”. Of course! You don’t know what you don’t know, so how do you know to get help.
- We are all marketing to the wrong person. I did a survey that was eye opening. I asked youth ministers and pastors if they had a boss/employee or co-laborer relationship. Obviously there are exceptions to all this, but the vast majority of youth ministers don’t see themselves as employees. Most senior pastors don’t see themselves as bosses. Can you imagine taking a job in the private sector without being trained? I submit that the world of senior pastors needs to see their role as boss. When a person joins as youth minister they need to be trained, inspired, enabled, and held accountable. They need to learn time management, business management, various ministry models, and supported. They can avail themselves of incredible resources from all of us. Youth worker consultants need to market to the senior pastors. Senior pastors wake up and take charge.
- If you are a part of a denomination, fund the youth minister training. These departments are underfunded across the board. Why? Because senior pastors don’t see their role as boss. Most don’t want to see their role as boss. Most of the denominations have awesome people struggling to train and mentor new youth ministers but are overwhelmed and underfunded.
- Young youth ministers will respond to strong leadership. Senior pastors, if you bring on a youth minister and have a multi-year training program with measurable goals, and books to be read, and classes for them to attend, the young youth minister will love it. Everyone should have a mentor or coach or whatever you want to call it and the church should pay for it. Otherwise don’t be surprised when your unspoken expectations are not met. That is really unfair to not spell it out.
- Now for the controversial point. What the youth ministers are attending are the big events with the big name speakers and the big name music. Take away the fun and they will stay away in droves. They need this fellowship because the business of youth ministry is emotionally hard. But that is why they come. It is youth camp for them. I submit that the training aspect of these events is not much. I will throw out that reality without conclusion.
If this is true, what can you do differently? How can we all pull together? Are there some paradigm shifts? What do you think?
Jul 02, 2010 @ 21:53:13
Can you give me a source for the “bara” study that says youth ministers last only 18 months? I think you meant Barna, but they have never done such a study to my knowledge.
This number floats around, but is rarely ever substantiated. If you have a source, I’d love to know it.
Jul 03, 2010 @ 06:21:13
I will look it up. I know I have it somewhere in my office. Thanks Mark for all you do. I have watched many of your vids. Any thoughts you have on the concept? I got a great response via email from Richard Ross who I respect so much in the Baptist world. I will try to post it, but I am a computer dinosaur. This subject is very close to my heart, and if we can really throw some energy at marketing our (your) awesome training at the senior pastor world, for the youth pastor world, maybe we can turn some things around.
Jul 05, 2010 @ 06:16:27
The issue I think many of us face in providing conferences as a training platform, had to do with a few fundamental principles of wisdom.
The first is that wisdom is context sensitive so in a group training environment it’s difficult to address the context of each youth ministers community, church, and personal abilities.
Second, wisdom is passed down in a general manner through books and seminars, but it is best transmitted through relationships. Training events can’t quite accomplish this.
At Youth Specialties’ NYWC, we offer several options, convention pastors, youth ministry consultants, and spiritual directors to offer a level of personal mentoring and coaching.
YS published a book by Mark Riddle called “Inside the mind of a youth pastor” which is an excellent book for senior pastors on this subject.
All in all you are on to something. After more two decades of itinerant youth ministry I’ve travelled to and served thousands of youth ministers on their turf. The ones who thrive are typically well incorporated into the church by senior leadership, are respected by parents, and senior pastors are viewed as highly supportive.
Jul 06, 2010 @ 11:21:51
I wish I had not mentioned the 18 month thing. It really has nothing to do with the subject. Picking up on the last sentence of Mark’s comment, how do pull together in reaching the senior leadership, parents, and senior pastors? What would we like to tell them? What effort can be expended in this? I wrote an article that was published in group magazine about parents. It is on my web site as “Parents in Youth Ministry”. Would love your comment. I think it would be really amazing to see several of the really big organizations such as YS and Group do a “project” to teach churches how to train and support their youth workers. I know Fuller has a curriculum to teach the “business” side of life.
Jul 26, 2010 @ 22:53:56
Agreed on the 18 month thing. By the way, there is no Barna data on that, they’ve never done a study on that. I was just curious if you had a source
YS has offered loads of training like this for years, in fact we’ve published books on the business side of youth ministry. Sadly, many people aren’t looking for this kind of help when they come to a convention. And that may be the biggest challenge in what you are proposing, how to get people to “want” what they need.
Kinda like working with teenagers ….
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on all of this.